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Posted on Sun, Oct 09, 2005 11:29

I think many of us would agree with Theo that Bush is a loony and should be locked up. As far as god talking to him, its more like his financial advisors are talking to him. Just my humble opinion.



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Posted on Fri, Oct 14, 2005 13:47

Well Said, NanookieNYC .....All Im saying is clinton for 2008



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Posted on Fri, Oct 14, 2005 01:48


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Don't worry Nanookie... I would run up and pee on you to put the fire out! ;)



awwwww Bubba -- you give me warm and fuzzies just knowing you'd pee on me if I ever needed you to.

I totally agree Theo, Bush & cronies platform of "moral values" last election pretty much was equated to anything anti-gay. But you have to give them credit a simple man ran on a simple message and the simple people of this country bought it hook, line and sinker.

And you're right that the democrats were more about compromise and not offending anyone -- they were all over the place with their message -- that is what lost them the election. It is sad but the democrats need to dumb down their message and keep it simple and concise for the sheep in this country who?s only knowledge about Washington and politics comes in sound bites. Americans tend to vote in simplistic moral terms, and the democrats have yet to make this connection -- and until they do and actually deliver their message with strong conviction, but yet keeping it simple, they'll continue to lose.

It also wouldnt help to find a leader for their party with the charisma of someone like Bill Clinton, someone who can mobilize the party and inspire the masses as he did. But he did actually run on a simple "I feel your pain" message that those red states could understand. Too bad the religious right passed moral judgement on him for receiving a BJ, while continuing to conduct government business on the phone -- to me that's not morally wrong -- that's talent. Heck bush can't even ride a bike without falling off it.

Here is my favorite post election newspaper front:

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Posted on Thu, Oct 13, 2005 14:14


NanookieNYC write:

Theophrastus write:
Apparently God told Bush to invade Iraq.

What do other people think about this?

Suppose God had told him that all women were wh'ores and that he had to punish them. In that situation we'd consider him insane, like the Son of Sam and rightly, throw him in a loony bin.

But Bush invaded Iraq and killed many more people than the Son of Sam and yet he is seen as simply a man of faith.



At this point, it wouldn't surprise me if they started burning women & more so homosexuals on the white house lawn -- that's what you get when you mix politics and religion. It's just that Bush and the religious right think that they should legislate morality for the rest of us.

I'm gonna get nailed for this opinion, but Bush & his religious right are weak minded and need a book of fairy tales, written by men thousands of years ago to tell them what morality is and what is right and wrong. Then they want to force their hypocracy down everyone's throat, assuming we have no morals. And the irony of it all -- Bush, afer all was a drunkard and coke head before he come into politics. And what is sad is that they are in a powerful position now and everyone in this world is having to pay for it.

This country is bordering on becoming a fascist state -- more so when you have supreme court nominees swearing that bush is a genious and the smartest man she has ever known, including electing him to president in the first place against public opinion; the press spreading the PR B.S. and spin of Karl Rove without so much as a fact check; the disappearance of our civil rights due to the Patriot Act being signed into law using the fear of 9/11 to do so; and bush pretending to be John Wayne, disregarding the UN and popular opinion and begining a war on lies, but with his "god" on his side, to help pocket the rich of the capitalist regime that runs this country. Let us all mourn our Checks and Balances system the forefathers of this country put in effect -- as Bush & cronies have pretty much managed to replace our constitution with the bible, propaganda and morality judgements.

Well now I am sure I will be one of the first to be burned at the stake on the white house lawn, but you wanted an opinion Theo. Whilst I am burning, the least you can do is tip a shot of tequilla in my honor.



Don't worry Nanookie... I would run up and pee on you to put the fire out! ;)



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Posted on Tue, Oct 11, 2005 11:43

The United States is in such a mess right now thanks to Shrub that I can see our economy crashing. Again. And that's not the worst of it.

So while Nanookie is burning on the White House lawn, I'm looking out the windows like Malcolm X, armed, just waiting on the Feds to show up because Freedom of Speech suddenly got outlawed by the Moral Minority (when you think about it, there are laws all over the place that prevent folks who've been to prison from ever being able to vote.)

And now Shrub is putting Supreme Court Justices in place as insurance against an impeachment, as someone on another site put it.

Why didn't these vacancies happen during the Clinton years!?!

And you would have thought America would have learned after the first Bush was in office.

I would like to thank the folks who voted for Dubya just because he claims to be a Christian for helping to ruin this country.



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Posted on Tue, Oct 11, 2005 03:25

Wow Nanookie... don't hold back... tell us how you REALLY feel :-)

The most chilling thing about Bush's re-election was that it was largely on the ground of "values". If it was people looking for tax-cuts it's one thing but the fact that people seemed to be voting for Bush because of his opposition to abortion and gay rights.

I know of a few gay people in the US who went back into the closet after that one because it was pretty clear... the US public does NOT like them.

With a bit of distance though, it's more a matter of the Republicans HAVING a moral vision than having the right one. The dems last time seemed all about compromise and not offending anyone rather than arguing positively for a free and tolerant society based not on the bible but on the solid enlightened thinking of the constitution.



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Posted on Tue, Oct 11, 2005 00:33


Theophrastus write:
Apparently God told Bush to invade Iraq.

What do other people think about this?

Suppose God had told him that all women were wh'ores and that he had to punish them. In that situation we'd consider him insane, like the Son of Sam and rightly, throw him in a loony bin.

But Bush invaded Iraq and killed many more people than the Son of Sam and yet he is seen as simply a man of faith.



At this point, it wouldn't surprise me if they started burning women & more so homosexuals on the white house lawn -- that's what you get when you mix politics and religion. It's just that Bush and the religious right think that they should legislate morality for the rest of us.

I'm gonna get nailed for this opinion, but Bush & his religious right are weak minded and need a book of fairy tales, written by men thousands of years ago to tell them what morality is and what is right and wrong. Then they want to force their hypocracy down everyone's throat, assuming we have no morals. And the irony of it all -- Bush, afer all was a drunkard and coke head before he come into politics. And what is sad is that they are in a powerful position now and everyone in this world is having to pay for it.

This country is bordering on becoming a fascist state -- more so when you have supreme court nominees swearing that bush is a genious and the smartest man she has ever known, including electing him to president in the first place against public opinion; the press spreading the PR B.S. and spin of Karl Rove without so much as a fact check; the disappearance of our civil rights due to the Patriot Act being signed into law using the fear of 9/11 to do so; and bush pretending to be John Wayne, disregarding the UN and popular opinion and begining a war on lies, but with his "god" on his side, to help pocket the rich of the capitalist regime that runs this country. Let us all mourn our Checks and Balances system the forefathers of this country put in effect -- as Bush & cronies have pretty much managed to replace our constitution with the bible, propaganda and morality judgements.

Well now I am sure I will be one of the first to be burned at the stake on the white house lawn, but you wanted an opinion Theo. Whilst I am burning, the least you can do is tip a shot of tequilla in my honor.



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Posted on Mon, Oct 10, 2005 06:54

Dee, just to be clear, I am not arguing the validity of the quote, I am sure he did say such things, I just think that he uses God as an excuse to further his econominc gains. There are too many connections between Bush and his texas oil men and his reasons for invading the Middle East. Just my opinion.



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Posted on Sun, Oct 09, 2005 11:47

Actually, there was a recent article whose link I would post, except we can't post links here.

The following is an excerpt from that article:


Mr Bush revealed the extent of his religious fervour when he met a Palestinian delegation during the Israeli-Palestinian summit at the Egpytian resort of Sharm el-Sheikh, four months after the US-led invasion of Iraq in 2003.

One of the delegates, Nabil Shaath, who was Palestinian foreign minister at the time, said: "President Bush said to all of us: 'I am driven with a mission from God'. God would tell me, 'George go and fight these terrorists in Afghanistan'. And I did. And then God would tell me 'George, go and end the tyranny in Iraq'. And I did."





As it is a second hand source, I would normally take it with a grain of salt, except in GWB's case, he has on numerous occasions made statements such as "God speaks to me.through me" or "God told me to do X".



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