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Posted on Tue, Sep 20, 2005 12:03

After speaking to several health researchers who were on teams that were funded by major health-care orgs., they indicated to me that any evidence that obesity is by itself a disease is false, and in each case, whether or not they kept their jobs was dependent on how grim the outlook on obesity could be "made to look". I have heard stories about similar incidents and no one has a clear answer on why my 90-year old grandmother, at 5'4" and weighing over 400 lbs. outlived all my other so-called "fit" grandparents. Every super fat girl I ever dated, a couple weighing close to or over 600 lbs., had normal (120/60 or close) BP and under 170 cholest. It drove their dr.s crazy because they didn't "fit" the profile, rather than admit medical science doesn't know all the answers. A disease is an abnormality- an infection, an malfunction, or similar. The ability for the body to store fat is a Divinely-designed survival function of metabolism, but, like everything else on this miserable planet, it must be turned into something that a special interest group can make money on. And besides, doctors and pharmaceutical companies never lie, right? If you think that they have your best interests at heart, I've got a bridge in Brooklyn I can sell you cheap.

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Posted on Sat, Feb 09, 2008 20:05

This whole thing made me think of an article published by JAMA that said something along the lines of "300,000 people die every year due to weight related issues." So all these anti-fat groups started saying that being fat (or complications from) kills 300,000 people every year, when actually if they read the article, they would see that only 20,000 of these deaths were from people considered "overweight" while the rest were from complications from being underweight/anorexic/bulimic/etc. Also JAMA said that it is healthier to be overweight than what is currently considered to be "average".



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Posted on Sat, Aug 19, 2006 18:57

Okay, I dont understand if you are 500lbs and now you have to use a cane to walk where is the healthy in that? I am sorry it is like that saying just because you can get that big doesn't mean u should! When I start seeing young teenagers tipping the scale over 300-400lbs that is saying something to me is that we need to rethink our lifestyle. Now I am not for a miracle cure drugs but I do believe in lifestyle modifications and better choices of diet with moderate exercise can keep your weight under control. Not being bone thin just healthy for your body structure. Even being too thin is not healthy but that is not a problem in america obesity is! With the exception of certain conditions it takes years to gain that much weight and it wll be years to remove! If I can't walk a flight of stairs with out passing out or feeling like I am going to die or worse can't wipe my own butt I think it would be safe to say I would need to lose weight!



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Posted on Tue, Mar 21, 2006 03:15

Thank You RockinChickbbw. I must say that I sometimes think about it and debate between health and my fascination with the beauty that I find in being excessively obese.
Can't make up my mind.
Same for Julian, although unlike me her weight has been pretty stable lately.



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Posted on Tue, Mar 21, 2006 02:40

I agree Pink ... its the health issues that is the main thing , I have a good sugar count, and my cholesterol is fine my thyroid works well ... but its a hormone imbalance I am battling, and with a history or heart disease and diabetes in my family its quite scary, to carry extra weight will always weigh on your heart ... to be happy to be so large is fine Pete, however its definately not healthy ... but each to his own, oh and congrats on the new girlfriend

  


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Posted on Mon, Mar 20, 2006 21:45

Hey Pink Penguin, I appreciate your concerns about my health as well of that of other morbidly large people. I must admit that my escessive weight can impair me at times, especially since I've gotten a lot heavier in the last year. However the truth remains that I actually enjoy being this fat and I don't mind getting even fatter. A little over a year ago I was 435, I'm now between 500 and 520ish but I still can walk a couple hours a day.



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Posted on Sat, Mar 18, 2006 16:02

A body can and should as in it is made to only hold so much weight.. And function in a healthy some what normal state.. Not to mention the mental burdens of being servery over weight.. Being that I mean 100 pounds or more..Any one that tells you it Doesn't affect them.. In that way is not being completely honest maybe even with them selves.. You can say I'm brain washed all you like.. But now at my current weight of over 300 pounds.. I can feel it's to much for my body to carry.. I can feel the health issues setting in.. It's bringing along with it that weren't there before.. I don't need any doctor to tell me.. I have a great self image to so plz.. don't say I'm just saying this because I want to fit in or anything like that.. I use to weigh less but never under the 200 mark.. For as long as I can remember now I use to be much more active.. But then the extra weight came on.. And now I have health issues.. So yes I would say weight can bring health issues for sure.. Any one who ignores that is playing a very dangerous game with there life...Obesity it's self is not a disease no..But at a certain level it brings health issues with it..That's not brain washing that's just fact.. I personaly belive its called MORBID obesity for a reason..And any one who would alow some one they really cared about.. To ever get over the 500 pound mark is not really.. Looking out for that persons best intrests.. Just my opinion from a person who's going thu it...



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Posted on Wed, Feb 15, 2006 02:38

Hey Ivy StClair,
I'm glad to see I'm not the only guy around here into large women.
All my 'large' dates where very healthy, considering their size and my new girlfriend is even healthier despite her 465 pounds, and that doesn't make docs too happy. She doesn't fit but so what?



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Posted on Wed, Feb 15, 2006 01:54

I totally agree with the last two comments.
I'm 41 years old and now over 500 pounds but wear it well and walk a couple hours almost everyday. Yes I walk slowly and now have to use a cane but I still get around no problem.



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Posted on Mon, Dec 26, 2005 23:21

Agreement with Bucky as well.

Fat, in and of itself, doesn't CAUSE health problems...lifestyle does. When we assume the lifestyle of a fat person, we are doing a diservice to them and ourselves.

And I do believe that in MOST cases, people who are 600 lbs dieted themselves up to that weight. Yo-yoing is what causes the damage to the heart, metabolism, etc...not being fat.

If we didn't feel such pressure to be thin and worked at just being fit and healthy at the size we are, we would be better off.

I just don't think that we should make blanket statements about fat and health.



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Posted on Wed, Dec 14, 2005 21:15

Healthy comes in all sizes. So does unhealthy.



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Posted on Sat, Nov 12, 2005 17:14

Maybe I am misunderstanding you? Are you actually trying to say that weighing 600 is healthy?! Maybe the question, then, is what do you consider healthy? Is health determined by how much we weigh or what our cholesterol is or or blood pressure? I don't weigh HALF of what your girlfriends weigh and I am more fatigued and physically limited the higher my weight goes. Let me tell you what healthy means to me. Healthy, to me, is being able to walk wherever I want, working a 12 hour day on my feet and not being in constant pain and playing with my son instead of watching him play. And I know that you mentioned that we are a society of people brainwashed against obesity and that fat storage is a devine survival fuction, but with that being said, why, then, aren't all people in cultures that celebrate obesity over 600 pounds? The answer is that even they have a limit. No body stores that much fat on it's own. So is pushing your body to an extreme because you find it aesthetically pleasing healthy? And do we even consider the emotional health of a person who desires such obesity? As for your opinion of doctors, I believe that for every doctor who lies to you for personal gain, there is another who genuinely wants what's best for you. In my opinion, a doctor that tells a 600 pound person to lose weight is just doing his job. Eating enough to maintain that weight IS unhealthy! But, like the last girl said, this is MY take on it as an obese person.



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Posted on Tue, Sep 27, 2005 05:15


Freysh write:
So true about the psychological effects of being overweight Sinfull, the surgeon who did mine has consulting psychologists if you need it and full back up i still see the doctors once a month even though it was 3 years ago.



That's great tho...seriously. Alot of Drs don't offer that and I think it's a HUGE part of your chances at being successful with the surgery. Psychology is such an interesting thing really..



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Posted on Mon, Sep 26, 2005 18:26

Freya/...

Well 3 tiny scars isn't too bad to come out with! Oh willpower? Dear God.. LOL it took me a good 3 yrs to lose that weight.. ya know what tho? I wouldnt have it any other way..afterall it was a very slow, steady weightloss and I havent gained a pound back..yet only continue to lose..so Im ok with that!

Yes it's HARD to break a lifetime of habits.. I know my issues are christmas LOL means LOTS OF FOOD. I generally gain about 5 -10 lbs during the holidays and crash diet the next few days to lose it..than continue on with what I was doing. Sorry to hear about the possible complications from the cyst...that's harsh... but at least there's still a possibility for children.

Ya know I watched 2 shows lastnight, one was "The story of the 627lb woman" and the other was "the 1/2 tonne man". All classified as morbidly obese, all classified as having a "disease", and all being a mental problem they admitted to. They said they were addicted to food just as a drug addict is addicted to crack, or an alcoholic is addicted to beer, etc.. It was quite interesting.. all of these folks did, stomach stapling, or gastric bypass, etc..and lost EXCESSIVE amounts of weight VERY fast...just to gain it all back and more (except the 1/2 tone man..he was down to 499lbs when they finished his story)

It was interesting to hear them speak..and how they are in their words "confined to a mental hell". Again..they got the surgery BUT it didnt help their lifetime psychological battle with food. Taught them nothing except what they classified as an "easy way out".

So yeah..with the bypass surgeries I think they are great..but I think they need to offer more assitance AFTER in regards to the psychological aspect... But Im glad it's worked for you!



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Posted on Sun, Sep 25, 2005 03:11



I have had the lap band after trying a number of diets and pills etc because i wanted to lose the wieght so that i could be healthy. I have lost some wieght and there has been a hugh improvement in my health all of the above conditions have stopped becasue i lost wieght, i am far from thin but i am now healthy.



Dare I ask the recovery on the surgery? When I was classified as obese I could have had the surgery..I opted for natural weight loss since I was a wimp about the recovery LOL I'm glad to hear tho that your medical problems have slightened..that's great news!

I too had ovarian cysts! The pain was so incredibly intense from them too.
I also had irregular periods to the point I'd have one for 2-6 weeks STRAIGHT but than I wouldnt get one for 2..3..4..sometimes 5 months at a time. I also am type 2 diabetic (not insulin dependent) When I was 100 lbs heavier than I am now..I took pills and STILL my sugar levels were 20-28 (a normal persons is 5-7..my sugar levels were borderline comatose)
I also had several Polyps (vaginal at that) that were due to my high sugar levels that I had to go into the hospital to have surgically removed.


My Doctor said "if you lose the weight... it will become normal..and the cysts will shrink" etc. Of course I laughed at him...numerous times!!!

Guess what? I lost 100lbs & I'm now like clockwork every 28 days...it last 3-5 days...its "normal". My cysts have all shrunk from my ovaries...and my blood sugar?? Well I no longer take pills for my diabetes..infact the dr wants to say I no longer have them as my sugar levals are generally 8-10. Now...can you honestly sit there and say that after I lost all this weight and now these medical/health conditions are no longer there.. that it has NOTHING to be with the fact I was obese? It was all related to me being obese. Now.. I'm still "fat" by societies standards and have about 60 more lbs to lose..But I'll get there...and when I do..I know I'll be healthier and stronger than I am even now.



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Posted on Fri, Sep 23, 2005 03:03


IvyStClair write:
But you are all missing the point- there is absolutely no "beyond reasonable doubt" evidence that says being fat is unhealthy in the first place. All of you are laboring under years of continued brainwashing by a profit-seeking mechanism- the diet industry- that somehow fat is equal with unhealth. Any so-called data or evidence can and has been manipulated to fit their agenda, so you naturally assume that the state of being fat is equal to that of being unhealthy. And after closely studying the whole question including interviewing dozens of medical resarchers since the 1970's, the whole thing of equating fat with illness just does not hold up, if you are intellectually honest.


Okay first off... what I'm about to say are MY opinions only ok?

I think that ANYONE who sits there and says that being fat is healthy.. is pretty naive, it's just to what extent are they unhealthy that should be the question. To say that it isn't unhealthy to be fat is like saying it isn't unhealthy to be bulemic, anorexic, or extremely underweight.

Now having said that I think your comments about us not being "intellectually honest" as well as "brain washed" are bogus just because we don't happen to agree with you on the issue. Just because someone has a difference in opinion doesn't make what they are saying wrong.. it's just an opinion.

Any person can tell you the more weight you carry the unhealhtier you will be. The more doors it leaves open to future health problems, or different diseases, ailments, complications, etc. To say otherwise is, IMO completely uneducated, OR backed by a certain agenda of fat acceptance.

Again.. that's where my whole issue with fat acceptance comes in.

Doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that if you place a 150lb "fit person" next to a 400lb "obese person" at the base of the CN Tower...I'm pretty sure I'd know who'd walk the most stairs... so yes.. fat is indeed unhealthy anyway you slice it. (for those that dont know CN Tower is the largest free standing structure in the world and it's in Toronto, Canada) lol

Again.. just my opinions.



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Posted on Thu, Sep 22, 2005 19:18

But you are all missing the point- there is absolutely no "beyond reasonable doubt" evidence that says being fat is unhealthy in the first place. All of you are laboring under years of continued brainwashing by a profit-seeking mechanism- the diet industry- that somehow fat is equal with unhealth. Any so-called data or evidence can and has been manipulated to fit their agenda, so you naturally assume that the state of being fat is equal to that of being unhealthy. And after closely studying the whole question including interviewing dozens of medical resarchers since the 1970's, the whole thing of equating fat with illness just does not hold up, if you are intellectually honest. What IS the enemy of good health is the constant predjudice and stress a fat person is put under; feelings of being a pariah in a culture that worships the thin image. And I don't understand why those of you who tenaciously cling to the "being fat is courting illness" belief are even involved with a site like this one, except to perpetuate the pro-thin myths that everyone is already soaking in! And it's high time you all wise up to the blanket of lies that have been covering up facts that the medical mainstream does not wish to acknowledge. Save your "but...." words; I have had the real experience dealing with several super obese girlfriends (one which became my wife) and their doctors. One doctor confidentially told me that "obesity has absolutely nothing to do with health..but if I publically stated or published that, I would never practice medicine again". Well, Abraham Friedman, MD, wrote a book back in '72 debunking most fat/unhealth myths based upon his own research and practice as a bariatric physician and he was blacklisted. See what happens when good, honest research and information sticks its head up? Look out...here comes the guillotine!



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Posted on Thu, Sep 22, 2005 16:49


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Alot of people view self acceptance as "celebrating fat" and vice versa... and if you do celebrate fat.. that's where the danger comes in.



very well said!



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Posted on Thu, Sep 22, 2005 01:35



I think there is a huge gap between self acceptance and thinking obesity on the whole is OK, thats were i have problems with the whole fat acceptence agenda, whiich i beleave is unduling concerned with debunking suposed myths. Of course there are some benefits to being siightly overweight but not to being obese or morbidly obese.



I have to agree with that. I had this discussion the other day. Some men I was speaking with said they felt disgusted that the larger women were celebrating their fatness..or as they say "celebrating their unhealthyness". I agreed with them to a point..stating however... to them it was more self acceptance..it was "I am large, I love myself, I accept who I am", because I dont think for one minute anyone could be honest with themselves and say "oh Im terribly happy being unhealthy." Having said that... just because you are large doesnt make you unhealthy. I have great bp, I can hike, jog, bike for miles.... and my stats are all in check.

Alot of people view self acceptance as "celebrating fat" and vice versa... and if you do celebrate fat.. that's where the danger comes in.



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