Do anyone believe the we should live by the Bible which is God's word. I have a co-worker who says she's a chrisian and do'nt pick her bible up and read it at all. How does she know how to be a Christian when she doesn't read her Bible. What do you think?
It absolutely defies the imagination when you see what some believe... where there is no logic or proof of any kind to support much of the silliness that people believe. These stories that were put into the so called "bible" were folk tales that were conceived when people KNEW the earth was flat.. that the sun went around the earth somehow. The were passed down from one culture to another, from one language to another, from one period in history to another with no one basing things on any real facts. We know more about King Tut than we know about Jesus _ and he lived 2,000 yrs before Jesus was suppose to have lived. We have absolutely NO artifacts or any proof that Jesus ever existed... Nothing! This is an absolutely undisputed fact. And yes,... men wrote down these stories... and some were included in the so called "bible" and some where thrown out. Men made those decisions... Sure there are some good lessons in the bible...but there is also a lot of gibberish. It may make some interesting antiquarian reading...but to take any of it as fact is sheer madness. Of course the world is full of insane people.
I believe that the Bible is God's word. That he used flawed people like you and me to write it by His inspiration. Lets just pretend if you are not a believer, that the events that are recorded actually did take place. That sick people where healed, mentally ill were delivered, demon possessed were set free and that the dead were raised. People would absolutely be talking about that and no doubt want to write about it from their experience or from information they heard from others they trusted. It is no different from today. We see an accident, we can be witnesses but our perspective may be different yet very true. I love this story from Mark 2 i would have love to have been witness to this...
A couple of men bring a paralyzed man to see Jesus but can not get past the crowd. Four of the men are carrying the paralytic but it is not specific who the men are, though it is implied that some of them have faith in Jesus. Since Mark has so far listed four disciples some speculate Mark might be indicating it is them doing the carrying, but there is no general agreement on this.
They then dig a hole in the roof of the house and lower the man in to see Jesus. That they dug through the roof indicates this is a poor house, with the roof made of leaves, bark, and dirt. It might also have had wooden beams for more sturdy support. This was the ordinary type of house in Palestine at the time.
Jesus is impressed by his effort, praising all the men's faith, and he tells the paralytic that his sins are forgiven. He calls the man "Son" a term of affection.
Some of the teachers of the law (belonging to the sect of the Pharisees) there are disturbed by this. "Why does this fellow talk like that? He's blaspheming! Who can forgive sins but God alone?" (2:7). Mark says Jesus "...knew in his spirit that this was what they were thinking in their hearts..." (2:8) and knows that they doubt his ability to forgive sins. He thus seems to have an ability to feel or know what other people are thinking, which might be seen as omniscience or telepathy.
He says to them "Why are you thinking these things? Which is easier: to say to the paralytic, 'Your sins are forgiven,' or to say, 'Get up, take your mat and walk'? But that you may know that the Son of Man has authority on earth to forgive sins . . . ." He says to the man "...get up, take your mat and go home." (8-11). His question does not imply that Jesus taught that sickness is caused by specific sins (although pain is linked to the Fall of Man caused by sin). The issue here is that Jesus can forgive sins (as God alone can) and heal the incurably sick. He teaches generally that the sick also have sins to be atoned for, although all are equally in need of forgiveness.
It may have been easier to tell the man something than to demand he get up and walk. Jesus chooses to prove his ability to forgive sins, with a demonstration of the man's ability to walk. He forgives and heals by word alone, highlighting the power of his words. Mark says that "everyone" was amazed by this.
Both believers and non believers alike wrote about the amazing things that Jesus did. He has left his foot print in history and all need to decide for ourselves what we believe about him...keep your hearts open and seek truth.
The purpose of religion is to control the population. There is no real evidence that any God actually exists. And... I ask... if God is suppose to be so all fired powerful, knowing, and intelligent, and he created everything.... then by that assumption, he also created, or allowed minions to create for him hell. He also created us flawed and when we fail, we fall into his eternal hell. Hell, he could have just created a perfect universe...but he created one in which most of us will go into his eternal hell. Why don't the religicos see that that is a very cruel God.
All books including the Bible are and were written by flawed men. Flawed men interpret the Bible and all other books the way they choose. Other choices that flawed men make include choosing to become patrons of churches that cultivate an atmosphere or in which said patrons have "their ears tickled" to suite their lifestyle choices, as well as many social and societal groups who choose to reason that the Bible was written by flawed men and thus is flawed in itself. It's my opinion that man choose this deduction and many others akin to it to justify their dislike for the information contained within It.
If you could find a way to live being reconciled in your own heart and mind regardless of your actions... wouldn't you do it?
What does this have to do with the Bible? I'm saying that people who feel as if they shouldn't have to justify themselves to a singular higher power don't believe that the Bible is God's Word and will try and justify that belief by any means necessary. Whether it's choosing to believe in the theory of evolution others like it, worshipping inanimate objects with no reasoning capability, focusing on the behavior of others instead of focusing on being the change they expect to see, or the fact that men are the authors of the Bible.
But... the Bible wasn't thought of by men- just written by men. Throughout Bible history, God used angels and men to handle divine tasks for Him. The construction of the Bible itself is a divine task that's was laid out for men to pen It.
(2Timothy 3:16-17) All Scripture is inspired of God and beneficial for teaching, for reproving, for setting things straight, for disciplining in righteousness, 17 that the man of God may be fully competent, completely equipped for every good work.
So, I do believe wholeheartedly that yes - the Bible was written by flawed and fallible men, but It was also inspired of God, so they had holy spirit to complete this great task and in my heart and mind I KNOW that the Bible is the Inspired Word of God.
We all were born with a conscience, and we know deep down if we are fighting against it. Often times, the people who fight the hardest... feel a twinge deep inside that tells them something's is wrong, but many people fight harder, which leads me to another blessing we have... free will. So I'm all about respecting someone else's beliefs because of the free will we have. I'm just not going to pretend to think it's legit, it would be more of an "agree to disagree" type thing.
The Bible is many men's "word", full of historical errors, misconceptions, idiocy, hatred, ignorance, etc.
The Bible (Old and New Testaments) is the first book of fantasy, inspired by legends from many places, Sumer being only one of them. For example, Jericho had been standing empty and already in ruins for nearly 150 years when the hebrew armies arrived. Moise is the legend of a Sumerian prince. It could not be the story of an Egyptian as (1) the Nile had very strong currents and very hungry crocodiles and (2) tar is not found in open air in Egypt while the Euphrate has neither strong currents nor hungry crocodiles and tar is indeed found in easily accessible tar field.
It took more than 40 writers and nearly a thousand years to write it. Just for the NT, approximately 300 years were necessary to fix it as we know it or almost, as some corrections did happen once in a while in accordance with the then current Church politics. Jesus was long gone.
One of the huge problems with religion is its antagonizm to learning. I am in my seventies and I have never heard one real word of true history in vitrually any religion, certainly not the Baptist Church in which I was raised. In about 1215, King James of England got so fed up with the church of the times that he collected a small group of scholars to compile a book IN ENGLISH, so he could read about his religion himself. Up until then, most western religion was in Latin, specifically so the masses could not understand. Well... this group of "experts" collected all sorts of old documents, stories, etc and kept some, threw out others. These documents are stories that have passed down from one culture to another; from one language to another, and these "experts" sat judgment on what got put in what King James wanted. If there is any common sense left in this world... you must surely know that any group of "experts" will have their own bias... and when stories are kicked around from one languge to another... one culture to another...over centuries...that the story teller will slightly change the story to suite themselves, their language, and their culture. So it is beyond me that any sane person could take the bible in any literal sense. It may have some good moral lessons within, but there is no way you can accept it as "gospel." - unless you are totally brain washed.
Faith comes by hearing the Word of God. When you read the Word of God, you are energized and transformed by His Word, if you believe in this method of His teaching. But, you have to live a Godly lifestyle too. Nobody is a perfect saint. In the book of Revelations you get blessed just reading that chapter, it states it in that very chapter. I should read His Word more, like every day. I attend church Sunday morning, Wednesday night, and bible study Thursday nights. I love being around my christian friends, and meet at my married daughter's home for the bible study also.
Well, the bottom line is that people should be concerned with their own beliefs and not judge everyone else's. If you think the Bible is God's word, then by all means, read it, believe it, and live it. However, if your neighbor chooses a different path, let them be free to make their own choices. We are all beings of worth and deserve the respect of our fellows to pursue our search for truth. Just my 2 cents.
SpamEggsChips write: Being Christian (or indeed any religion) is not just reading a book. Books are not written by deities, they're written by men who have flaws like all of us.
Take the general message of the bible (and for preference the New Testament only as the Old Testament is basically God killing people he disagrees with) and make that your own.
Literal interpretations make for literal mistakes.
This is one of the reasons I revere nature, not the words of men hundreds of years deceased.
What a load of rubbish!! You obviously haven't read the Bible, have you??
You do realize todays bible has been edited several times and many "books" in it were thrown out because the editors at the time felt it detracted from the overall message?
You can believe whatever you wish but realize that taking the bible literally will be quite a folly.
Not only is language a barrier but time...think of the word BAD and the number of ways you can use it in todays context and now go back 2000 years and picture how they spoke in that time with a different language
Its a great book, but to believe it comes to you unfiltered is a HUGE mistake
Take the general message and follow the general rules and youll live a great life no doubt
Will you live forever in paradise? Maybe but more importantly youll live a great life TODAY which is all you can do
I know too many "christians" who are worried about the end of days....if I had that faith I would embrace it, one step closer to everlasting life right?
How many christians devote their lives to god and spreading his word around the world? Very Very few
How many christians follow Christ's teachings....very very few
So how many if using their own rules will receive everlasting life....very very few